The most dangerous people in America
Written by Michael Vass
So I was walking to my house on a Sunday at 6:15pm, and I was reminded of something that causes me pause. Young White males. Seriously, they make me nervous. In this case it was because as they drove past me they decided to just scream at me as they drove past relatively slowly. I suppose they expected me to jump or shout or something. I did flinch for a moment as my thoughts were elsewhere.
But when you think about it, many claim young Black males are dangerous. How silly. While many African Americans may posture and dress like the ready-for-prison crowd, they in fact are just regular kids. Few actually commit crimes, especially violent ones though the major media likes to play it as if they do nothing but felonies.
But young White males are dangerous. High school shootings? White males. Most petty crimes, the same. Nooses hung from trees and various other places? White males. ‘Redneck row’ and other whites’ only places enforced by White males. Bensonhurst, and so on and so on.
Why? Because a White male can bring a shotgun to a school and have no penalty. A White male can instigate fights and be seen as the victim. A West Virginia – the men had half a dozen or more arrests, one being for murder, not counting the women) which the media buried and refuse to discuss.
So when you face the fact that the media, law enforcement, and far too many people have an absolute fear of me, while I am less likely to do anything, you see things differently. I’m fearful and cautious because if I confront young White males acting badly, I stand a better than average chance of being the one that goes to jail. I get nervous because the real possibility of me being harmed is high. Because I am a Black Puerto Rican I stand a great chance of being killed, by the police, young White males, or the lack of timely medical attention.
In fact, even at 40, my chances of being killed are higher than Whites of virtually any age or background. So can you imagine why on a Sunday afternoon I was startled and nervous when 3 young White men decided to antagonize me for no reason?
So yes, what I fear are young White males. Due to sheer numbers, and sheer number of acts of violence and suffering. Not that any of this is conveyed by the major news media. Not that anyone will notice a start of police shooting down White kids 50 times, even with cause. Not like my fear, or my above average chance of death, will have a reason to diminish as I get older.
Do you share my fear and caution? Why?
November 12th, 2007 at 11:38 am
Mike:
Even though you have an appropriate fear of white racist youths, I would ask you one question.
There are not too many white people that are proponents of having metal detectors in schools and yet, many schools throughout black areas in this country now have metal detectors. This is especially true in inner city areas.
So before you go judging white youth and the shootings in schools, I’ll repeat, most white people are not proponents of metal detectors.
So I ask you this. If there was legislation suggested in the South Bronx that called for the removal of all metal detectors from the schools, would you vote yes?
I didn’t think so.
December 7th, 2007 at 4:00 pm
Seems as if you hit that nail on the head !
February 29th, 2008 at 4:49 pm
Written by Michael Vass
Ken and OG,
You mention metal detectors in schools, which is tangial to the main aspect of what I am speaking about. You also deflect my post to only include White racist youths. I believe there is more to the issue I was addressing.
But first, the point of the White youths that cause me pause. I do not limit it to racists, or at least those that are overtly racist. I don’t believe that the kids in Columbine were racist. I don’t believe that most of those that have committed high school or college shootings are racist. I don’t believe that Kelly Tilghman is racist. Even the kids that hung the nooses in Jena probably weren’t racist. In all their minds they weren’t intending to be racist, they were just being White Americans.
That is not to say that all White Americans are like the people I have just mentioned. But I do mean to say that there is a difference in thought that is a given as a White American as opposed to being anything else. Whites do not question if the police will shoot them 50 times for trying to enter their own home, or if a cab will stop to pick them up at any time of the day. Whites do not question being mistaken for a drug dealer because of the clothing they wear or the area they are in and being shot by police for it (as recently happened to a Black 13 year old boy). Whites do not question if they will be charged more on loans, car purchases, and mortgages. Whites do not question why a crack house next door to them for 4 years is allowed to exist. Whites do not presume that a car full of any group will drive up and jump out to beat them, randomly, and get away with it. Whites do not question if 10 policemen will arrive within minutes at their house because of an odd sound that is called in, and search it for an hour only to find a cat (as happened to a friend of mine in New Jersey one month ago). These are givens. For any person of color it is not.
Now to your point about the metal detectors.
First, considering the spree of high school shootings across the country, predominately in smaller towns with minimal minority residency, I would think that metal detectors would be welcomed. But if the concept, ‘My kid wouldn’t do that’, or ‘It won’t happen here’ is better, se la vie.
Secondly, metal detectors are predominant, to my knowledge, in city schools. That includes all schools whether they have a high number of Blacks, Whites, Hispanics or otherwise. Of course because they are in cities the proportion of people of color is higher. Equally as important is the fact that there has not been a single high school shooting around a school in a city, and only one in a college in Washington State. And the most important fact I believe is that, to my knowledge, there has never been a school shooting that has been executed by African Americans or Hispanic/Latinos.
That is important because there is no question that there are more guns, crime, and gangs in cities than most small towns across America. So the relevance of metal detectors to school shootings is moot, I believe. Thus the problem is not the weapons but the people committing the crimes. And just as with mass murders the overwhelming antagonists are Whites.
Now would I vote to remove the metal detectors in the South Bronx? No.
I don’t see a reason to tempt fate. At the same time I do not confuse the fact that metal detectors, that have been in place far longer than school shootings have been occurring, are in schools with the prevention of shootings around the schools or in neighborhoods that hold as many people in one block as some towns hold. Especially whey you consider inner city areas that are rife with drugs and gangs.
So again I present you the thought, that even when considering the overwhelming opportunity in cities, that has existed at least since I was in school some 35 years ago, the most dangerous people in America have been and continue to be White youths.
April 8th, 2008 at 9:49 pm
Dude, Colombine was like 10 years ago literally this is 2008 that was in 1998. The number 1 cause of deaths for blacks below the age of 30 is homicide and that is not because whites are killing them it is because they are killing each other. The number 1 cause of death for all other racial groups under 30 are accidents. Your trying to be a pain by persisting in denying reality. You want to say something hateful and mean to whites, but i for 1 don’t care. Your black and if your murdered in this country there is a 94% chance it is another black man that kills you. I’m white and if I’m killed there is an 89% chance that another white dude pulled the trigger.
April 9th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
Written by Michael Vass
Soldie,
First, my name is Michael Vass not dude. Please use that as after 40 years of life I think I am at least deserving of that if not the more polite and respectful Mr. Vass.
But to answer your comment, I did not isolate my initial post or comment above to only Columbine. As I stated and is clear fact virtually every mass murder occurring in a school or college to date has been committed by a White young male. None have ever happened, or even been planned as is known, by African Americans or Hispanic/Latino Americans. And that is throughout the decade of time you wish to isolate my comments to, which I do not.
Thus while same race crimes may be more likely to cause harm or death to a Black male, which is a problem on a one-on-one basis, young White males are vastly more dangerous to groups of individuals. That is to say nothing of those older White males that are predominant in committing “gone postal” shootings, serial murders, and murder sprees.
You go on to mention how homicides are the leading cause of deaths to Black males under 30. You fail to mention that 66.2 percent of hate crimes are enacted against Blacks (according to D.O.J. 2006 reports). Further looking at the data from 1994 through 2004 we see that crimes by more than one offender against a victim work out as follows:
http://www.ojp.gov/bjs/abstract/cvus/race.htm
White victim - 1,555,490 Percentage committed by White - 48.8% Black - 22.2% Other - 11.8% Mixed race - 12.2% Unknown - 5.1%
Black victim - 372,680 Percentage committed by White - 10.8 Black - 67.1 Other - 6.7 Mixed - 13.9 Unknown - 1.5
In addition violent crimes committed by 1 offender are as follows:
Crimes of violence 6,930,880 Percentage committed by White - 62.1% Black - 26.2% Other - 9.3% Unknown - 2.4%
So we get this realization, Whites committed 4,297,146 acts of violent crime against a single person, and 759,079 acts against multiple victims that were White. Thus once we move away from percentages and look at real numbers we learn that Whites are far more likely to commit a crime of violence against anyone, especially other Whites. Again I never isolated my comments to murder; I was speaking of violence and general danger.
Now add in the age component of multiple victims:
Crimes of violence 2,010,170 Under age 12 - 0.3% Ages 12-20 - 46.9% Ages 21-29 - 13.9% All over 30 - 5.7% Mixed ages - 25.9% Unknown - 7.2%
Thus 61.1% of all violent multiple crimes are committed by those at or under age 29. [Single crime age data not found] That is considered young.
So again I say what the numbers prove true, and seemingly leaves some readers feeling uncomfortable, young White males are dangerous.
It is not hateful or mean to state facts. You may not like the facts, you may feel embarrassed by them, but they are facts. There is no dispute of the numbers. And by not hiding behind percentages that sound impressive, we see the reality that was expressed to me on that Sunday.
The truth is that I have never in 40 years heard of a White male shot by police 50 times, or 40, or even a dozen – though multiple Blacks have been. The truth is I have never heard of a Black kid shooting a school or college. The truth is that nooses are used by Whites to intimidate and threaten Blacks. [By the way, as a friend of mine mentioned, what other purpose would anyone – especially kids – have to know how to make a noose?] The fact is that 6 Whites (most of whom were young) raped, tortured and kidnapped a Black woman that was avoided by the media. For all your protest otherwise you avoided speaking about any of these events. And for each one we can find multiple events of an exactly similar nature over the last 40 years. These are facts and they are not filled with hate or mean. They are just the truth.
You might like to be told the facts of what happens in America in a manner that makes you feel good, but that’s just sugar-coating. You might be upset that some Whites act in a manner that is despicable. But you have yet to deny or prove me incorrect.
And why is any of this important?
Because America is filled with anger and penalties of law that are motivated by the inaccurate and tunnel-visioned lie of who is committing crimes of violence. Because these prejudices and stereotypes influence our entertainment, politics, and daily lives. Because instead of saying that there is a problem and dealing with it we look to address the symptoms.
If you find me a pain because I’m presenting you the reality that actual numbers back up, and not the prejudiced image that percentages present, I can’t help you.
So now the question is before you, since the factual and accurate numbers state that young White males are the most dangerous group in America what will you do about it? Feel embarrassed and upset with me for telling you the truth, or do something to change the facts?
July 20th, 2008 at 5:09 pm
Perhaps Mike the reason why you always hear of black youth being killed by the police is because they are the violent ones. I live in Utah, which is predominatly white. They dont go around and shoot at eachother, or attack eachother. Yes, they act like boys and yell and tease people. That is hardly killing people or carrying guns.
I think you are in a bit of denial there Mike. Use the recent floods as an example. People are pulling together and working their own way out. They help thier neighbors and help themselves.\\
Then look at New Orleans, when there was flooding they all fell apart, started to rape eachother and shoot eachother. They were shooting at the helicopters trying to help them for hell sake.
It is the mentality that is the problem here. Whites for the most part have the opinion that we need to take care of ourselves and take responsiblity. Blacks, however are of the opinion that they are somehow owed something, and cant pull thier heads out of thier butts long enough to figure out how to take care of themselves.
That is what makes blacks more dangerous then whites. Their inablity to take any kind of responsiblity.
July 21st, 2008 at 3:46 pm
Mike,
The amount of ignorance being spewed in these few words is enormous. I can say that the friends I have in Salt Lake City, and my experiences in Utah have never reflected the thoughts of Christy. But it reminds me that when any group of people in America is isolated from everyone else ignorance and blatant stupidity is rampant – like Eugene Oregon.
First of all Christy, you ignored all the facts I provided in the post and follow-up comments. Either that is because you chose to ignore factual data provided by the Government, or you could not allow yourself to understand the data’s meaning as it would invalidate your views.
And what views they are. Talk about simplistic racist denial. I am aware that New Orleans had issues after Hurricane Katrina. That is after the flood was over and the streets continued to hold bodies of the dead, and the Government failed to provide the populace with enough food and shelter. I am also aware that the issues that were occurring after the flood were not restricted to a single race, though the major news media had a great time inferring that it was a Black issue only. Had you looked for the full news stories, and not relied on the 15 second news video clips, you would have easily seen that Christy.
And don’t forget the fact that often the media, during the New Orleans floods, showed pictures of Whites and Blacks in the flood waters. The difference was only that when Blacks were shown they were referred to as looters, and Whites were said to be foraging for survival. The bias was blatant if you could look with clear eyes and an open mind.
Still I am unaware of helicopters coming to aid civilians that were being shot at. I’d love to see a link to that news report, provide it if it exists as I never found such a story in all my coverage or following of the story.
Christy, you are as ignorant of history as you are of using a spell check program. You state that Whites take responsibility and care of themselves. Let’s walk through a bit of history. Modern math, which enables Mankind to walk on the moon and have the internet, is all based on the number 0, created and used by the Middle East and Africa. The cradle of civilization, the beginnings of trade, and formal written language, all created in Africa.
Let’s move forward in time. The major wars of the Ancients were virtually all started by White countries needing to dominate the rest of the world. Roman, Greeks, Huns, Prussians, Saxons, ect. It’s a huge list. And how civilized were these hordes? They proliferated the single greatest plague known to humanity, the Bubonic Plague. Who found the cure for the Plague, the Moors – who were African.
The mentality that has created some of the worst conditions and history in Mankind can be summed up as such – European Whites believe themselves to be elite and superior, thus they fought near continuous wars across every part of the world they found. In each part of the world they brought disease, and with their barbarism forced their system of life onto every other culture they encountered. They stole nearly ever advance they could understand and militarized it. The effects are still reverberating across the world.
That is history.
In more modern times we have seen a slow progression towards understanding other cultures. America lags many nations in this effort. Our separation form the rest of the world has allowed us to be isolated and retard our interactions with other cultures. Thus we have never fully unified as a nation of multiple cultures.
Where, Christy, is the responsibility of Whites for the enslavement of Africans? The Government has never offered an apology – and the mere mention of such an act enrages millions. One of the greatest peacemakers ever known was Dr. Martin Luther King and it took over 20 years to provide him with a holiday, which was fought severely against by politicians in office right now like Senator McCain. It’s still a holiday that is not fully observed throughout the nation. Is that responsible?
Christy, you seem to think that the stereotypes of African Americans are true. Yet you ignore the great actions that African Americans have made throughout the existence of America. It was Blacks who learned how to provide blood transfusions that save millions of lives a year. It was Blacks that created the stoplight ensuring safe travel for tens of millions on our roads each day. The list of inventions and advancements is to long to list, and I bet you can’t name 2 of them.
And I again present you further facts.
That says nothing of high school shootings – never committed by a Black or Hispanic child even in inner cities where guns and drugs are easily available – or acts of terrorism by fringe groups – like those that lead to the Oklahoma City bombings.
Christy, you don’t see the truth because you chose not to. You allow the major news media to deceive you. You cannot accept the responsibility in front of you because you are too busy heaping blame on others that aren’t exactly like you.
Christy, I accept that there are some African Americans that are not upstanding citizens of America. I accept that there are some that are not nice. Just as I accept that this is true of every race and culture. Yet I also accept that Whites in America overwhelmingly have more issues with people of color and are more violent –even against themselves – than ANY other group in America.
And the fact is that when given facts and examples of how lopsided the landscape is people like you, Christy, chose to wrap themselves in a blanket of old half-truths and misconceptions rather than deal with the situation.
I’m glad to say that most of the Whites I know are not like you Christy. They are good people that give respect to anyone that deserves it. They do not have rules or criteria for each color of person they meet. They deal with all people in the same manner, and can admit that some people are just trash – even if they are White. You are not among those people Christy.
I have lived or traveled through about 1/3 of this nation, I have lived overseas. I love this nation with every problem we have because it is the greatest in the world. But I am not in denial that through all those travels and experiences in my 40 years on this planet, there are some that dislike me just because of the color of my skin. I have had those experiences up to this year, and in reading your comment I am sure that my nephews will have them as well, sadly.
Christy, the point is not that all Whites are bad. It’s not that Whites have a history of barbarism and violence. It’s not that America seethes with an undercurrent of racism. But it is the point that reality is warped by the media in an effort to disguise the issues facing the nation, and to allow those with a mentality like yourself, a mentality that is better suited for the 9th century than the 21st, to be able to sleep at night.
I sleep well at night knowing the truth. I have no fear of people because I see and know the truth. I have friends of ever nationality and color found on the earth because I accept the truth. I have a full life and success because I do not deny the truth. Can you say the same, Christy?
July 23rd, 2008 at 12:34 am
Yes, I sure can. Go ahead and spew all you want, and have whatever opinion that you want. I will have mine, and I share that opinion with alot of others.
I am sure there are blacks that contribute to our society, and have done good things. So have white people, or have you forgotten that?
About apologizing to blacks about slavery. I will do that as soon as they apologize for enslaving the Israelites.
All the black people I have known in my life have always had a “The world owes me a living attitude”.
I did not grow up sheltered, in fact I grew up in San Diego. It was about as culturally diverse as one could get. I have only been in Utah for a few years.
I come by my opinions of black people, from my own personal experience with them. I do not go by what the government or what the media says.
I have a full life, and I am very happy with it.
I find it funny that because I have the opinion I have, I must be ignorant or somehow not worthy of my opinion. Feel the way you do I could care less, I feel the way I feel and it wont change.
I am not ignorant, and I dont owe black people a dam thing. I am where I am because I have worked for it, and my husband has worked for it. We dont take from people, and we dont wait for people to help us.
I do what is right for me and my family, so yes I sleep very well at night. In fact I am about to head to bed right now, safe in the knowledge that tommorow I will still have a loving husband and great children. A life that I love living, and a life that I have earned!
Bye Bye bitter little man
July 23rd, 2008 at 3:13 am
Written by Michael Vass
Thank you Christy. I thank you first because I won a bet on how quickly you would respond to my response. Secondly because your logic, specifically when it applies to the Bible, gave me the best laugh I’ve had in maybe a week.
Now you may feel I was spewing, but had you paid attention you would have noted that I was responding. And responding directly to your attempt to malign all the African Americans in this nation. In fact your words fit in a slur on all Negroid people in the world.
When I dislike a comment or slur, I address the person who made it, in this case you. If you took offense to that, well then your morning coffee is working. Unlike you my posts and comments are available to the world and I do not smear whole groups of people though I do highlight wrongs but not without cause or reason.
Now I agree that you have an opinion. And as you obviously noted I did not edit or restrict it in any manner. If I highlighted it as a source of illogical thought, that is my right, and I did not force you to expose your small-mindedness. If you thought that somehow I would buckle under your thoughts of implied superiority or self-worthiness – you seriously failed to read or understand what I write. If others you speak with on these subjects agree with your bewildering misstatements and flights of fancy, well it only proves my point on how sad race relations in America really is today.
Setting aside your mob mentality justification, which is the same mentality that justified lynching and prevented that from becoming a crime where children were brought with a picnic basket until 1922, I will correct another point you try to make. There is no question of the contributions that Blacks have made to America. Had you done a simple Google search as I mentioned you would know that.
You don’t need to be “sure there are blacks that contribute to our society” since it is a fact that has existed long before there was an America. The good that Black people across the world have done is fact and even history as recorded today cannot hide that truth.
I never denied that there are Whites, Asians, Indians, Aborigines, and so on that have done good in the world. There are so many that have contributed to the benefit of Mankind. But unlike you I do not wallow in the thought that any race, ethnicity, creed or whatever is subordinated or inferior to any other. And having read facts and history I know that the above is true, it seems from your comments that you still don’t. So no, I didn’t forget but have you ever learned that?
Now for my favorite line of your comment:
“About apologizing to blacks about slavery. I will do that as soon as they apologize for enslaving the Israelites.”
First I was not addressing Ancient history, but the relative recent past of America. 400 years is not ancient, and certainly not some 2 millennia ago as your refer to.
As for the Israelites being enslaved by Egypt according to the Bible, which is the reference you seem to be making, check your facts. It seems you are presuming that the Israelites were White, which is a lie. As the Bible clearly states, Jesus was an Israelite and had hair of wool and skin of bronze. Now considering the accepted region of Jerusalem, and the description of Jesus and other Israelites I can clearly state that Jesus was not a European blonde White man. He wasn’t any kind of White, or Caucasian if you prefer, at all. Read that Bible passage again and you should realize that Jesus looks more like me than James Caviezel or Max Von Syndow. He was an Arab descendant, which means he was Negroid and therefore Black. Amazing what reading will teach you.
So in effect if any one is to apologize for the enslavement of Ancient Israelis it would be Blacks, specifically from Africa – thus you aren’t owed a word on the subject, by your own logic.
Where is my apology though? The reality of Slavery in America is well documented, as is America’s resistance to admit any past wrong. Trying to sidestep that point with your illogic does not shield you from the facts and truth. You may want to try to insult my intelligence, but please try harder at least.
Now you may indeed only know of African Americans that have succumbed to the ‘America will take care of you’ philosophy you seem fond of spouting. I can only presume that you know very few African Americans though. If you know 10 I’d be amazed. Even moreso if you actually spoke to more than 5. I bet you are the type of person that would count ‘knowing’ a person of another race or creed because you may work in the same office as them but never actually spoke to them. I could be wrong, but you strike me like the type.
Now let me pause a moment. I come from New York City. That is the most diverse place I am aware of in the world. Every culture, race, ethnicity and so on live mere blocks from one another. As such I have learned from all types of people and cultures – which have served me well in my travels across the nation and world. Because of my experiences in dozens of cities and numerous countries I can say that there is no singular type of example of a group of peoples. The educated people in the world would agree, which I do not count your statements to reflect.
My friends, whom I speak with, have lived with, have dated, and debated with are of every type of human being on the planet. They don’t agree with every position I have. They don’t accept every view I present, and can counter some views I have with equally compelling facts. And that is why I love them all. They can offer a valid, logical, opposing view and disagree with me – without trying to insult an entire race, or me. You obviously cannot.
It’s nice to know that you feel your life is full. Ignorance is bliss and all that. Except that ignorance is the lack of knowledge, and you have been given that knowledge. Thus in failing to accept that knowledge you qualify for the definition of stupid. And I suppose stupidity makes one blind, which can be as good as bliss perhaps.
But have no doubt; you are entitled to your opinion. It is a right guaranteed by the Constitution and Amendments, enforced by the blood and sweat of millions of Americans – White Americans, Black Americans, Asian Americans, Hispanic Americans and every other American since the inception of America. So don’t feel threatened because this Black Puerto Rican man is willing to tell you that if you aren’t ignorant your words do a wonderful job of making you look it. [And by the way that is my opinion – don’t like it, hit the X in the top right corner of the webpage.]
You don’t owe me anything Christy. I never said you do. In fact I have clearly stated repeatedly that your expectation that I would say such a thing is false and tunnel-visioned. I have said in various posts that America, particularly the Government, owes an apology to the descendants of the original slaves. I have said that as part of the sincerity of that apology reparation – akin to the reparations given to Asians due to WWII internment, and descendants of Native American Indians – are a positive and can be done to the benefit of the nation.
But Christy, you don’t owe me anything. Nor do you owe my mother, sisters, brothers, cousins, uncles, aunts, a 3rd cousin twice removed, the city of New York or Kansas anything. Only a mind so full of itself would assume that millions of Americans would have any idea you exist at all for no reason at all. As the saying goes, get real. Your comments annoyed me momentarily but if you think that you made a difference in my life or that of those I call friends then you are beyond self-centered, in my opinion.
I never questioned where you are in life. You have a husband and children. Whoopdeedoo for you. I didn’t ask, I don’t care. If your volunteered information does anything for me, it makes me hope your children will be more open minded and understanding than you apparently are. If you don’t like that statement then you should have left them out of it, but I am not attacking them – I am addressing you.
I’m glad you believe you earned the life you have. Your implication that I have not goes further to state your stupidity when it comes to who I am and what I do. It shows your disdain of my abilities and dislike of my success. But again, you ain’t God nor close to Him. So I really don’t care how you sleep or what you think. I didn’t ask for your opinion specifically, nor your open-ended attack on all Black people in the world. But I will not stand idle while you try to puff up your life at my expense. You found the wrong blogger.
So sleep well, try to hurl the best insults you can (and honestly I have really heard so many better ones, you could have at least worked on that a bit) and go on with your life. Never come to my blog or any post I write, or visit often and squeeze in a comment when you feel brave enough. I won’t stop you from doing either because You, Christy in Utah, are not who I hope to speak with on my blogs. You do not represent the tens of thousands that read my posts each month in over 115 countries around the world.
I write for the readers that agree or disagree with my views. I stay up late researching and reading and watching news for minds that are open and intelligent and inquisitive. I enjoy reading comments that dispute my findings and challenge my convictions. I love a respectful question, or a strong willed honest opposing view. And I cherish respect.
So Christy, you can call me bitter. You can avoid addressing the facts and views I present. You can insult me and everyone that looks even a little bit like me. You can squirm in your apparently repressed petulant stupid mind. And I’ll keep writing for those that are not like you.
And I’m eternally grateful that the people I do write for, the majority of America and the world have so little in common with you.
July 23rd, 2008 at 10:40 am
LOL, so you made a bet about me with someone else. That tells me how truly pathetic you are. I am a housewife, so yes I get on the computer in the morning and the evening to see what was said about me.
Honestly when I picture you I see a sad little man, who although educated, probably goes around talking down to everyone he knows and putting on an air of supieorority to everyone who comes in contact with him. If you are married I am more then sure that your wife is very happy when you go to work.
The opinion that you have does not suprise me, nor does your resonse to me. That is the way that most liberals would respond. If you think that you are in the majority though you are wrong. Talk about not being in touch with the rest of the country.
Last time I checked New York did not represent the rest of us, in fact I would say that the opinion of most New Yorkers (notice I did not say all) does not reflect middle america.
I will raise my children with the same beliefs as myself. That hard work will get you where you need to go in life. That a strong work ethic and the way treat your family are some of the most important things in this world.
I honestly dont care about the plight of african americans, it does not affect me therefore I dont care. I mean when you have Bill Cosby and Obama both saying that they need to take responsiblity for themselves, then I guess I could not have been that far off the mark. Like you say that I am.
You can spout all the supposed facts that you want too, I could care less.
Oh yes and to the fact that you would be suprised if I knew more then 15 black people. My sister and my brother both married black people, I know them their families and their children. I would say I know atleast 30 (lol).
I dont hide my views, I make them known to anyone who asks. If people dont like it oh well I could care less, they are mine to have.
Have no fear I would never ever in a million years be scared to respond to anything that you or anyone else writes about me. I grew up scared of a man who abused me as a child, if you think your words or your attitude would frighten me into not responding you are sadly mistaken.
In closing I would like to say I stand by my original opinion, and mark my words the way that things are going now with the blacks and the rest of society will be the downfall of this country.
Everyone is so busy trying to be politically correct, we are backing ourselves right down into hell and we dont even know it.
Oh yes, and about the Isralite thing. They are jews are they not? Lets see, my mother is jewish which makes me jewish, so yes I will be waiting for my apology. I did not know there was a time limit on how far back you could expect an apology. I was also unaware that you were able to make the timeline, your self importance is staggering.
Go back now to your pathetic lonely self important exsistence. I can guarantee that when I leave this world there will be people and family there who loved me, you I am sure will have your articles that you have written and if you are lucky maybe your mailman.
Buh bye
July 23rd, 2008 at 2:44 pm
That all you can say? This is getting boring.
Learn to read, because if you did you would know I’m a Republican and Conservative.
And I’m not surprised that like many racists you could care less about facts – thus the difference of stupidity rather than ignorance as I stated.
I never asked about your work or your religion. My comments were to a different point. But you are jewish, honestly it really doesn’t matter. It seems obvious that your bile requires you to try to minimize others. I would feel pity for you if I cared about you.
You are so self-absorbed that you can’t understand the words that I have written, nor the importance of other human beings. Christy, you are a repugnant being. I feel sorry for family members that have to deal with you at family functions. But it’s nice to know that at least part of your extended family did not receive the deficient genes that you carry.
And yes Senator Obama, Dr. Bill Cosby, and others including myself have addressed issues in the Black community. None of them had to insult a race of people to make their points. Of course that is no different than any other group in America, in fact (I know you ignore facts) due to sheer numbers White societal problems are more prevalent and numerous. But the media attention does not highlight that aspect of reality, thus the point of my original post – which you strayed from since it seems you have no counter argument for it.
Your opinions, and those that share them, make me almost wish I would vote for Senator Obama. Having a Black President would likely cause some of you to kill yourselves, a bit of Social Darwinism improving the human gene pool. But one could only hope.
But again I will say please try harder. If you really want to insult me you need to first learn some reading comprehension, then logic. Of course that requires facts and intellectual work that I fear is above you, perhaps your children could help you?
I won’t continue this flame war, it really has detracted from the point I was making and you really are boring. Live secure in whatever racist dream you wish to have. Blame the ills of all time on whomever you do not understand or dislike. You are an old relic, little better than a bad joke repeated without humor.
July 23rd, 2008 at 4:52 pm
I am done with you also, honestly you are just a racist black man. Nothing special about you, you think that if people dont share your opinion then they must be wrong.
I notice you said nothing about the blacks owing the jews an apology, gee I wonder why?
I have a little bit of bad news for ya Mike, no matter what you think about your “white” friends. I am more then sure that when they are home alone without you in thier prescense they share their true feelings for black people.
All the white people that I know (which is alot) are sick to death of hearing about what black people have to go through. Thier lives are so hard and us whiteys just dont understand it. Guess what we dont care enough to even try to understand you people.
There is no way you can convince me or any other white person that the blacks arent violent. How do you explain all the civil wars in africa and all the killing, the aids epidemic? We dont need to do anything to any of you, you are doing it to yourselves. You have a barbaric mentality and you always will.
How about before we blame the whites for slavery, you look at your own people WHO SOLD YOU IN THE FIRST PLACE.
I am done with you Mike you are irritating and a blind moron if you think white really feel like you.
It is a white thing you dont get us and you never will, thank god for small miracles.
How about you leave us alone and we will leave you alone, keep to your own kind and we will do the same.
Yes, I am a racist and not scared to say it. I dont care if you respond to this or not, I will not be back on this page. I am no longer interested in giving you a soapbox to put down white people.
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August 5th, 2008 at 5:39 pm
white people arent the only ones who shoot up schools. fuckin look at virginia tech that asian dude shot the most people in a shooting so how bout you leave color outta all this.
August 6th, 2008 at 9:20 pm
INTERESTING DEBATE GOING ON I SEE.
August 14th, 2008 at 8:47 pm
Written by Michael Vass
Kay,
First, please leave the vulgarity out of your comments. I’m sure that you are smart enough to think of words that can convey your thoughts without going into the gutter. In the future any comments containing such language will be deleted.
I never said that Whites are the only people to commit school shootings. Though I only am aware of one case since shool shootings began where Whites were not the shooter. So, in fact, color is in this.
And as you probably read in my many replies and the original post, Whites are the most numerous violent criminals in America. That is fact.
If this post has angered you, ask yourself this: Why does a reality make you upset? Are you more comfortable thinking that non-Whites are more violent? If so, why does that comfort you?
And David,
Yes it is. I hope that it is leading to introspection and understanding though.
October 22nd, 2008 at 1:50 am
I am a young African American woman growing up in philadelphia,pa. which is a mostly black city. I have never personally expierienced rascism hopefully I never will. I’m commenting because people like christy upset me . your a human just the same as the next regardless of color. If you truly believe in god and believe he created us all than know he is in control of everything . Why raise your family to be rascist ? I hate no certain people. And further more if you have a problem with all blacks come see me in philly i’ll give you an ass whooping you’ll never forget . And guess what I love all who love me I respect all who respect me. Think about the day of judgement when god asks you why have you hated his creation for no reason . And one more thing the crimes white people commit are fucking crazy like killing and eating people,fucking their own kids and sisters and sons,fucking the little boys from the little league,and all types of other shit like killing their wifes because the don’t wanna get divorced.and as far as the jews go their are black jews also. you should be mad at the real white people europeans they killed and enslaved the jews and still don’t like them untill this day. your not white your a jew get it correct.
November 27th, 2008 at 12:08 am
Some of you are so silly.. who really cares everybody has different personalities regardless of race… I personally know white nutcases and good ones!!! I know black nutcases and good ones!!!! ones I hate and could care less if they got ran over by a macktruck and ones I love and would do anything for in both races!!! every race your either down to my level or u aint i dont care if your purple
November 30th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
Sean,
That is a great attitude, but sadly the major media and more than a few Americans do not share that view. Even in the 21st century.
That is the point of the post. To attack the media-fed perceptions. To correct ideas that are so ingrained in the American psyche as to be believed as truth when fact makes it obvious they are not.
Were the media to honestly portray everyone as you describe I’d be very happy. And many in America would be shocked. Because that would mean that when you see a video clip of people on welfare, the people would be overwhelmingly White. When you saw a picture of Whites in a flood with a black bag they would either be described as looters, or the image of Blacks with the exact black bag in the same flood would be descibed as trying to forage for food and survive.
But until that day, discussions like this one sheds light on the various sides and thoughts that continue to prevail in America.
February 17th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
Sir I need you to dempstrate how you broke down those figures on crime. Im in the middle of a hot debate on the same issue on Topixs. The forum is End Black History Month. Any assistance would be most helpful.Thanks and Thankyou.
February 18th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
Ronny,
The figures all come from the Government.
http://www.ojp.gov/bjs/abstract/cvus/race.htm
Further records can be found from the D.O.J. 2006 reports, which were the most recent at the time of the post.
February 19th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
holy cow — I just read that entire string of comments. Hey Michael, on your numbers (we all know can be spun however someone wants) the only weakness I want to point out is that you are using shear volumes. This is completely unfair because it should be based on percent of population as percent of crime, and you know this I think. Your spin is showing that Whites commit the most crimes (simplifying), but by percent of population, Blacks clearly commit the highest percent per capita. Obviously, if there are 1 million cats and 50,000 cows - the cats are going to eat more volume, but the cows may eat more per animal. This could probably be further broken down to single parent households, household income levels, location, and many others– all allowing a spin.
People see this and know it. This is a critical platform of prejudice (not racism). Because of this, I continue to say, the Black community has to take responsibility. People dont want to be judged by their cover, but that is a fact of life. Black culture seems to accept very negative actions by Black people as a “Black thing” and it is often embarrasing, and frankly, alot of it is simply a big “F You” to the “man”. I recently was at a gas station with my family getting gas, a truck pulled up with a rap blaring so loud I couldnt hear anything else, and every other word was “mutha f-ing nig***s”. It was a Black man working for the city - IN A CITY VEHICLE!!.
My point is that negative stereotypes are based on reality. Your numbers are spun to help you make your point, but I dont think people are going to fall for it. Prison poplation, violent crime rates, all crime rates per capita for that matter, abortion rates, single mother households, even race on race crime, and many other negatives are all led by Blacks when you compare percent of population. This is not an attack, but White people will throw this in your face when you go after them. You isolate many clear issues of unfair events towards Blacks, but I think, as all things, there is a balance. when you are extreme on one side, you will get extremes on the other. I was suprised to see you allow Christy to drag you into attacking White people as a whole with your references towards “gene pools” and things, I didnt expect that racial superiority angle from you.
Logan
April 7th, 2009 at 11:10 pm
Oh my goodness, I can not believe what I just read. I am attending college right now and for fun I am taking some criminal justice classes because the FACTS are interesting. Mike you have threw out a ton of numbers and yes they are facts whereas the others have just given their opinion. It sounds to me like no one really wants to know that a white male in their early twenty’s is to be said the most to committ violent offenses and that is a fact.
April 15th, 2009 at 9:05 pm
Amy, you sound like another brain dead, spoon fed child that cannot think in reason about what a fact is.
The point is to find common ground. If a Black person wants to find a figure that points to a negative towards a White person, and then shouts it from the rooftops as if they finaly found proof that all White people are evil, then that Black person better not be insulted when a White person comes along and points out the massive overwelming data in almost every area that shows Blacks as the biggest offenders.
If it makes you feel better to believe that this topic as a statement is a fact, and you do not want to acknowledge that all valid data concerning a group of people compared to another group of people must be broken down to equal percentage to get relevant data as it relates to a whole, then you have simply decided not to think, and rather conclude this as a fact so you do not have to debate with your own political alignment (in this case, by percentage, it clearly shows Black males are the most dangerous people in America–lie to yourself if you want to). In other words, you lie to yourself to feel better. You are very weak.
My point is, why put this out there at all?. It does no good and is spun from a political point of view. To NOT accept the facts of percentage of population is no difference than a White racist not allowing for slavery and racism as obvious excuses for current problems within the Black community. If this is the type of battle that will be waged, an effort to belittle White people and make Black people superior, in otherwords “take over” and be ok with Black against White racism, then equality will never be achieved and Black people will have a very long road just to achieve equality.
April 29th, 2009 at 7:47 am
Why is it that the most white american area, white hispanics included and asian even non-white hispanic arease are the safest places to live? Why do you not here when Blacks and non-white hispanics or amerindians kill eachother in school, because its not news. A inner-city high school no one cares about we all know crime is there gangs,ect. Drop the im the victim card and see where the real problem is
May 7th, 2009 at 8:04 am
John,
Well that is a very over-simplified, inaccutate, and myopic view of things.
For all of my 35+ years of living in major cities and going to school there, I have yet to hear of any incident equal to or even comparable to Columbine - or any of the other growing number of places across the nation where young White males go beserk. Not exactly what I call safe is it?
Gangs exist in White and Black, and everything else. Or have you not heard of the KKK, Hell’s Angels, and other neo-nazi, anti-government survivalist, racists groups? There are far too many to name, and each one is a gang. (though some Hell’s Angels have tried to clean up their act).
And there are massive numbers of people that have grown up in the cities that have gone on to become leaders in their community and for the nation. Ever heard of General Colin Powell? Just one example. Of course cities are diversified and the neighborhood Dom DeLuise grew up in was little different than the one you imagine is isolated from the rest of the city. It makes me wonder if you have ever lived in a major, or large, city.
But all this distracts from the facts at hand. The raw numbers, from the Government, prove my ascertion. White males from 18 - 25 are the most dangerous people in America, committing the most violent crimes. It’s a fact. You don’t like it, but there it is. Oh, just as a side note, the majority of serial killers are White males age 25 - 45. Plus I believe (don’t have the hard facts on this at hand) the majority of “gone postal”, mass murderers are White males as well.
So learn to read carefully, because I’ve never claimed to be a victim. But I won’t sit back and allow injustice and bias to prevail if I can help it. Like the stereotypical comment you made.
May 7th, 2009 at 8:58 am
Michael,
Caucasians are scary but African Americans are equally scary. I’m horrible at debating so I really won’t do an entire “back-and-forth” argument with you but I will allow myself to say a few things.
There is still crime and prejudice in this world, of that I have no doubt. There is also racial fear but things aren’t as bad as they used to be. Before, the majority of us (African Americans and Caucasians)used to hate and fear each other. Now, we’re slowly learning to survive together in this cruel world. Yes, we have stuff we still need to work on but that’s ALL of us. You can’t just expect things to change expediently;acceptance on both accounts takes time.
I guess that’s really all I wanted to say: things aren’t as a bad as they used to be and we’re all trying. We all have to overcome centuries of learned hatred. For just a few short decades we are all doing marvelous, both us African Americans and us Caucasians.
By the way, this is just MY opinion… please don’t skewer me alive for it like you’ve been doing to the majority of everyone who disagrees with you. It’s very unbecoming to be so blatantly inhospitable on your own blog.
May 11th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
Destiny,
Thank you for your comment. You point out a good observation. Things are far better than 100, or 50 years ago. That is not to say that race relations, or perceptions, are good. They may get there one day, but as we all know there are problems that must be addressed along the path.
I realize that everything on this blog is an opinion. There may be facts used to support or defend that opinion, but that is all it is. The goals for me is to spark conversation, and confront the truly ignorant (racist) views that are floating out there.
It may be inhospitable or unbecoming to take a comment, written in support of an untrue concept, and demonstrate its illogic and fallicy. But I believe that if someone who opposes a view I hold makes a comment in an agressive or attacking manner - I will respond in kind. I just happen to be better at doing so and remaining on point and defending my position.
Don’t be thrown by the strength of what I say. That is my conviction and in some cases my desire to whittle through addled minds and clouded reasoning.
Note that I do not attack any respectful, honest, logical comment. I may not agree, but I do not skewer. I respect every reader and comment I have. Until I receive a comment that necessitiates such a response. Such as the Christy’s of the world.
I should also note that, out of respect of every comment I receive, I try to address every logical point that a person makes to me. You took the time to read what I said and respond, you found weaknesses in my point of view or questioned the logical outcome or brought in valid thoughts I failed to cover, and that deserves a response. If I cannot defend a point of view as stated in a post, then I must re-think that view, or completely change it. Such is the nature of debate and intellectual growth. I hope that my readers benefit from such a discourse.
So again Destiny, I thank you for your comment. And I hope you better understand the nature and reasoning for my repsonses. I hope to hear from you again.
May 12th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
Michael,
No, I’m not thrown by the strength of what you say. It is BECAUSE of your strength and conviction that I find your blog worth reading. Your hold on your views is something to contend with. What I was thrown by, however, was the back-and-forth insult fest between you and Christy.
I won’t get involved for it wasn’t my argument; I just wanted to let it be known that I was kind of disappointed that you allowed yourself to fall into such a childish spar when it came to Christy. You are a strong voice, I’m sure, in the African American community, and it was a shock to see you allowing someone with a different opinion debase you.
As a future columnist, I hope to one day travel the world and write about important matters with the same conviction that you show in your writings. Forgive me if I was a bit disheartened to know that the things that affect me and cause me to respond childishly at the age of twenty will probably still affect me when I’m in my forties.
May 12th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
Destiny,
Thank you for the compliment.
Yes, I must admit that I was sucked into a low flame war with Christy. It was something that I should have ended before I started. But after years of writing and hundreds of comments on over 100 blogs - including 3 of my own - I must admit that there are days where you just fall into such a trap. Even moreso when the subject matter is controversial and prone to misinterpetation.
I hope that you are successful in your future as a writer. I truely wish to see your column filled with passion and intelligence on subjects you hold dear. But do take my flame war as a reminder to always try to maintain a cool head and thick skin. You will not always succeed, none of us that do this for a living can, every day. Still it is the attempt to avoid such action 95% of the time that marks the best of us. At least in my opinion.
And I thank you for continuing to be a reader of mine, even with my moments without grace. It’s difficult to maintain the quality, and quantity, of material that I and other do. We all have our off days and mishaps. So it is enheartening to hear comments that remind me why I do this in the first place. It helps me to redouble my efforts to provide the best quality on the subjects I cover.
I continue to strive to live up to the compliments you have given me, and more importantly the readership and time you have rewarded me with.
May 20th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
Wow Michael, I have not been here in a few weeks and to my suprise I find that you are still using the “dangerous white male bull”. This is your blog so you can do what you want, but your clear and purposeful mis-representation of facts has now lumped you into just another biased politician who tries to spin facts to his or her own personal agenda. In your case you are clearly racist towards Whites and want to pretend that White males are more dangerous than some other race because they commit more crimes, all the while leaving out the FACT that this number is based soley on percent of total people in the country, which are mostly White. Any thinking adults know and fully understand, that by percentage of population, Black males are far more likely to commit violent crimes than any other segment of people in America. And guess what else:
in Japan, Japanese commit more crimes
in Africa, Blacks commit more crimes
in Mexico, Mexicans commit more crimes
and on and on and on, of course Whites commit the most crimes, they are the majority of the population!!!. Your statement is mis leading and not relevant to reality, and is clearly based on your own insecurities, said out loud to make you feel better. Pathetic… I thought you might be different than the rest of the spin doctors out there…but you are clearly not.
Here is a simple test. Why dont you post the last 20 years (or whatever) of all negative stats you can think of…abortion rate, welfare rate, murder rate, violent crime rate, drug crime rate, race on race crime rate, all race crime rate…then break it down to percent of population.
In case you dont understand, that means if there are 65 Whites and 15 Blacks, if the Whites commit 10 crimes and the Blacks commit 5 crimes — this means the Blacks are far more dangerous even though as a whole Whites committed more crimes. You will find that Blacks rank worst in every category.
The difference here is that if a White person wrote the truth in an article they would be called a racist for pointing it out. But a Black person can spew out any lie they want, to show a negative racist view of White people and no one says anything. And you cry about White racism??, you deserve it.
May 21st, 2009 at 2:52 am
Logan,
Correction. This is not my blog. My blogs are Black Entertainment USA and VASS. My corporation is M V Consulting, Inc. This is a blog that I co-author.
I must admit that I am not at all shocked by your refusal to accept the dangerous nature of young White males. Most White Americans have difficulty with this, much the same than many people of color have trouble accepting the violent nature of their own racial groups. But I have never denied that every group in America has a portion that commit crimes. I just outlined the facts that are misrepresented on televsions, newspapers and all other forms of media.
I don’t care what is happening in Japan, Africa or anywhere else in the world. I am an American, this is an American issue. My concern is centered on this nation.
What you continue to fail to understand is that while it should be obvious that the majority of crimes in America are committed by the majority group of Americans, the media and thus the population tend to not believe this fact. That misunderstansding creates a barrier based on race that should not exist in this nation. Or anywhere for that matter.
You can call me a politician, a spin doctor, pathetic and many other things. I have a thick skin, and I have been writing for years. I’ve heard all the names that people use to hide from posts I have made that they dislike. In every case, the names never detract from the facts I have presented.
But I will present you a simple math question. What is more, 10% of 10, or 5 of 10. Such is the nature of the main question I posed. The answer is the point of my post. More of anything means it is greater. So more money equals greater wealth, just as more criminals equates to greater danger. Or is this simple math too difficult for you to understand? (By the way, your own example proves my point as it states that Whites are 2x as dangerous as Blacks)
The truth has been presented with empirical data, reasoning, and logic. If you chose to label it so you can refute it without fact, logic or reason go ahead. It will not change what I have presented.
**Oh, by the way. While your attack on Amy has stayed on this blog do not believe it is condoned or supported. It does not exist on my blogs, and any future such instance, by anyone, will be summarily removed from this blog as well.
I have written this post. Like all my blogs, I expect and receive comments that are vulgar, insulting, and insipid on a regular basis. Such was the choice I made years ago to confront these comments. My readers and those that choose to comment did not make the same choice, and deserve respect.
Logan, you attacked Amy because she does not agree with your point of view. Such an act was lowly. You did not debate her view, nor present facts and logic to disuade her. You just made the blog equivalent of shouting her down. A Neanderthal could have done that.
It did not impress me, nor likely anyone that read your comments. You did not gain new supporters of your views. You did nothing but alienate a reader and others that share the view.
I had hoped that Amy, or another reader would have pointed out these facts. They have not, so I will.
But in the future, there will never again be such a callous commentary against anyone stating a point of view here, just as I will not allow it on my blog. That does not just cover those I agree with, but also those I do not.
If you wish to try to insult me, go ahead. I could care less about such attempts to shake my resolve via shouts and tantrums. And in writing the posts I have opened myself to such base acts. But this is the first and last warning.
May 21st, 2009 at 12:42 pm
Perfect. You have perfected the art of deflection without substance. Instead of being honest about your biased assault on Whites with your casual use of surface “facts” as you call them, while fully knowing in your own head that your words are mis leading for your own racial alignment, you come back with “I dont care what happens in Japan” and re-use the same data that you know is not representative of the individual guilt you have charged, but simply a mass number. My point was to show you (and you know this) that mass numbers mean nothing when the individual make up are not equal, especialy when used in the racial attack form that you have chosen.
Michael, you know this is true. I read your posts and fully understand your motivation. The point to all of my reponses of this and previous is this. What you are doing is crossing the line of perpetuating racism by not being honest. Anyone can point out some sort of statistic to make their own race appear “better”. The problem I have with you, is you attack people for doing so, then turn around and play the same game. You will find, that if you continue down that road, you will have an audience of racist Black people that love you, and no one else. My insults were directed at your weak position based on the fact that I think very highly of you and have come to expect a higher level of “facts” from you. You know what I am saying, you dont owe me anything or need to be repected by me, I am nobody but a thinking person who is tired of racist crap from both sides of the aisle.
I believe fully, that had you read a blog with a negative “statistic” about your own race that you knew was a mis representation, that you would have something very strong to say about it.
Amy is a perfect example of what your mis-leading statement does to young people who are still learning. Did this article serve an honest purpose in guiding her thought process going forward?, besides, your own inter-action with Christy (?) was far more insulting than anything I wrote.
Boot me if you like, I am honest.
May 21st, 2009 at 3:22 pm
I stand by the facts of the United States Government, the logical conclusions I have drawn, the reasoning involved in my post and replies to comments. You have refuted none of these. If you feel that my comments have crossed some line, and are making a statement about all Whites, then I feel you have misunderstood what I have said.
As for my readers, they are a mix of every race, income level, and educational background from over 125 countries each month at virtually every blog that I own or write for. Depending on the post some agree or disagree with what I think. Overall, I believe that 90%+ of my readers respect me and the convictions I have. I am greatful to each and every one of them for that. And I respect all my readers and commentors, even those I disagree with - as long as they are respectful to each other, and do not use vulgarity.
And you did cross a line with your comments to Amy. You should apologize. Disagreement is one thing, what you did was another.
Lastly, about Christy. I have already stated in other comments that I allowed myself to be dragged into a flame war. I admit my failure on that point. Still that was an attack on me started by her. Again I state that I don’t care what people say about me or call me, I am the author and expect the worst from the net from time to time. And I retain the right to respond in kind, if I so choose. But, I will not abide such commentary against my readers that choose to comment. Even if I disagree with their commentary.
So no, I will not boot you. As long as you refrain form viciously attacking other commentors and do not use vulgar language. I may not agree, but I support your ability to voice your own opinion. As I do with everyone. Though my warning still stands.
May 21st, 2009 at 6:09 pm
fair enough, refuting the facts are simple. In every catagory, Blacks are the only race that has a higher percentage of the crimes committed than their percentage of population. In other words, by shear numbers, they commit more than their fair share of the crimes committed proportionate to their percent of population, and if you are Black, you are 6 times more likely to be attacked by a Black person than a White person.
The sad fact of your own article, is it adds to the idea that Blacks are more likely to commit a crime than any other race when dispersed into equal numbers, particularly Black males. That is a fact, and if a White racist wanted to use this information to slander Blacks as an entire race or segment, they could and probably do - but they are called racist for doing it, a minority can say the opposite without worry.
My problem begins with “why even discuss it?” - there are so many factors that create these numbers that cause these numbers to be irrelevant, such as racial bias in the justice system and income / education factors.
I suppose your title to this entire piece is probably what irked me. As a White male, and a father, I teach my children equality on every level and at their young age I do not think that they see color differences. However, I am finding that racism towards Whites has become somewhat acceptable in the mainstream and it seems to be considered racist to teach your children to be proud to be White. In the city I live in there are “Brown Pride” stickers everywhere, my son, who is learning to read, now asks what that means…how do I explain equality when he asks if he can have a “White Pride” sticker on our car?? (which he wouldnt ask, except for the idea that I have to explain why someone feels the need to put a “Brown Pride” sticker on their car).
Again my point– we have to get past all of this dribble. It cant go from “we want to be equal” to “we want to be on top”. I will teach my children all of the true negatives of each race regardless of reason, before I will let them be stepped on because of their skin color. That is why I question why we bring these things up when we could be working toward equality, especialy since all of the statistics work against Blacks.
You could have posted so many things to make your point, unfortunately you went to the single negative possibilty against Whites in all of the stats that could be found, and it is based soley on shear numbers of volume, and by the way, it can be turned around — by shear volume Whites are also the least likely to commit the same crime than any other race, and are therefore “The least dangerous people in America”.
May 21st, 2009 at 7:57 pm
Finally we are getting somewhwere.
Yes African Americans have a higher percentage of crime than the percentage of population. As do Hispanic/Latinos. But I am speaking of violent crimes. This does alter the numbers a bit, but that is the focus of the post so I am staying exclusively there. And at no point have I denied the facts of Black on Black crime or any other facet of the facts pertaining to people of color. In fact I have addressed these issues in my blogs, but that is not the point of this post or this blog.
But the question has been and continues to be the perception of people of color, the medias influence on that perception, and the ingrained nature of how Whites see all this. Because no matter how you wish to come back to percentages or alter the view (”the least dangerous people”) the fact is that the greatest threat is from the greatest numbers. This fact cannot be disputed. But have you noticed the response to this fact?
Yes the title irked you. And many others. It wasn’t meant to, it was meant to present a reality that obviously many want to refuse to hear or see. Why might that be?
Which is why it must be discussed. Because if we cannot state facts without the repercussion of rage just because it is unpopular, then equality will never be attained. You can teach your kids whatever you wish, but you are also teaching them your rage at the suggestion of fact you dislike. You are allowing them to be guided by the very media that places a bias in its every action.
Of course there are many factors to why any group of people commit crimes. I am not addressing that here. But I am addressing the perception that by being a person of color I am assumed to be “the idea that Blacks are more likely to commit a crime than any other race when dispersed into equal numbers”. Because the fact is that the greatest number of violent crimes are made by White males age 18-29. The fact is that White males are most likely to go postal, commit mass murders, be sociopaths, and/or be serial murderers. But these facts never cause a White male to be seen as a danger to anyone. Yet a person of color is seen as a terrorist, a drug dealer, a criminal. And that is a problem.
I have said over and over again, with examples going back years if not decades, how the media has driven home the perception that any person of color is dangerous. This blog highlights many of those arguements. But it is the simple statement of fact that caused instant outrage among some. Does that seem fair? Doesn’t that make you question what is going on?
You wonder about Black Pride, as opposed to White Pride. How do you explain them? Well actrually you are only concerned about the pride of people of color, which is not surprising. Because it is the prevalence of White Pride that allows you to have an advantage in America, and to not notice it. Which is why a declaration of anyone else makes you question it. But how do you explain it? The same way you excplain the end of slavery, the Civil War, Jim Crow, segregation, and the importance of President Obama being elected. Because they are all connected, and go hand in hand with why people of color have to declare their pride as opposed to society at large respecting them as a given.
In America, being White grants you a more fair chance in the justice system, it allows for lighter sentences in the penal system, it grants you easier access to higher paying jobs and quicker advancements in that profession, it provides lower interest on mortgages and loans, it enables ease in car and home purchases. Why? Because Whites are seen as trustworthy, and not dangerous. Yet the insistance that people of color must be dangerous ensures what we see daily. Harsher penalties for the same action, fewer chances at advancement, higher costs for credit if any is provided, extreme distrust such that entering an elevator causes many fear. That is what I am talking about in this post. The discrepancy of the mieda’s presentation and the actual facts. Which affects far more people than most would like to admit, in ways few ever admit.
Why else is there so much rage at my presentation of fact about some Whites. Why is there so much insitance to counter or interpet the facts that I’ve provided. I am sure few if any of my readers are criminals, yet I receive responses as if every White person that reads this is a criminal and wanting to divert the attention from themselves. Such a response tells me that the problems in America are far more ingrained than many think, and without discussion they will remain there.
The reaction to this post and comments say far more than most are willing to see. I have to be wrong, I must absolutely be proven so. Because the world view of many cannot exist without that vindication. because all the miedia focus must be blatantly wrong and biased if I am right. And anyone supporting my views must be shouted down. Because I cannot be allowed to spread any fac t or thought that might disrupt the system of society we have right now. The vested interest of many REQUIRES that Whites cannot be the most dangerous people in America. And this posts brings a challenge to that.
So Logan, no you have not refuted my position. You have in fact reinforced the point I was making from day one. Your attack on Amy (which you have yet to apologize to), and against me, make it blazingly clear that I am correct on multiple levels.
Are Young White Males the most dangerous group of people in America? Yes. But the fact that people of color must be understood and presented as the most dangerous says exactly how far America has moved from the days of slavery, Jim Crow, and segregation.
May 21st, 2009 at 9:09 pm
right on, I agree with you on the points of conviction and how things are viewed, I always have. I agree that through decades (or centuries) of White dominated society has built unfair, biased walls that I now see as disolving, I also add that Blacks, as a culture, have been willing to accept racial negatives (gansta rap) as a cultural identity, and that only adds to the negative views (with anyone over 18), so there is some blame to be shared.
I did completely refute your assertion as an individual that you lumped into a group unfairly and with skewed data. I could say that no one has ever been killed by a gun as a fact, simply because I support gun owners and choose to view it as only a person can use the gun to kill, it skews the data.
Your defense, that I am defensive in my position, is only predicated on the fact that your assertion is first based on your own defensive position,…thus making my point, you are strongly outspoken about media skewed points of view that negatively impact the overall view of a certain race (and rightly so), but then you come out and do the same thing with this blog.
Isnt one of your motives to stop this type of media (yes, you are media) image molding?? Two wrongs dont make a right, and in this case, your words only add to negative fuel by implying a negative based on race instead of being based on population, and is unfair.
It looks like we will have to agree to disagree. I have enjoyed this debate very much, and have been smiling the whole way through, as you are a master at controlling the forum and sticking to your points. My points are valid, and by broadening the canvas, I believe undermine your original intention and show fault. Either way, you can have the last word.
I look forward to the next conversation.
July 30th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
Sheesh, this has been online since late 2007 and now we are in mid 2009 and its still going. No one can slap the original host of this article so its a mute point to discuss it further, kind of like bill maher said, the internet exists so ppl can yell at each other.
July 31st, 2009 at 1:48 am
Christian,
I feel this is continuing to be a subject that people focus on because it is an issue that America has failed to deal with.
It’s not about slapping someone down, though that has happened. It is about understanding the societal bias that exists and the far different reality. If we can address that, things will improve for everyone. But it seems that it will take more than a few yelling matches to get people to calm down and seriously look at the facts and not the media and steretypical views that so many prefer to hold onto.
October 19th, 2009 at 8:50 am
Well I just got yet another racist white supremacist response. They always make me laugh.
The initials of the anonymous commentor (aren’t they always anonymous) was S.N. and it does not stand for a name but an insult to me. Obviously this commentor is under some delusion that their profanity and threats will either cause me to approve their comment or somehow change my post. Facts are facts, and comments are a priveledge allowed to those that can respond with a thought, not threats and vulgarity.
I will say this though, it was yet again another example that small minds incapable of thought and expression regress to using vulgarity since they do not have the ability to find words to express their hate and anger - or likely any other complex thought.
I am not surprised or threatened by white supremacists, racists and others of small minds. Obviously they find various posts I make terrifying. Facts tend to do that to those that feed off of scare tactics, illogic, and lack of knowledge.
So I will say this. Threats and comments filled with vulgarity will not stop my writing, nor end a single blog (of the several) I own. Comments like this might give me a moment of laughter, but usually are boring. They will not get approved of course. But such dimwits are welcome to try as much as they like.